Canon 80d or 7d mk2?
  • As title suggests I am thinking of upgrading my camera body and the 2 above at present have my attention. I like (trying) to do wildlife and motorsport events so have looked at these 2. I know a few people at the club have the 7d so would look forward to people's thoughts. Ready steady go...
  • If you already have canon lenses the stay with canon. What camera do you have now?
  • I currently have a Canon EOS700d and yes plan to keep the lenses I currently have.
  • You will already know that for your subjects, in the body it is about reach (crop sensor) and frame rate. The 80D is a more recent body but the 7D11 is a lovely camera. Rumour suggests that the 7D will be upgraded in 2018 so there will be a number of good used ones around
  • That is my concern that it is mostly likely to be replaced next year and currently the price of a 2nd hand body is only a couple of hundred pounds cheaper than a new one. The 7d has a better build quality and weather sealed.
  • In simplistic terms single digit Canon cameras are higher up the range than double digit cameras which are in turn higher up than triple digit cameras.

    I have a 7dii and a 6d (full frame). 7dii is streets ahead for speed and focus, the 6d gains big time being full frame, especially in low light.

    The 7dii is significantly better built than the 80d, is in a different league when it comes to overall speed (fps, focus etc) and has a much better focussing system (in terms of number pf points and customisation options).

    The 80d has some features the 7dii does not have, such as articulating screen. It also has higher resolution (but consequentially smaller pixel sites).

    The 7dii is more of a specialist camera - particularly aimed at wildlife and sports photographers.

    The 80d is a bit more of a jack of all trades - but that can give more flexibility even if it is not the best at anything in particular.

    A comparison of features is at http://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II-vs-Canon-EOS-80D (some a little subjective.

    You specifically mention wildlife and motor sport, and if this is really what matters it is a no-brainer (other than any price difference) - the 7dii is the right tool for the job. It does a pretty good job elsewhere too.

    The 80d camera is a better choice if you do not really know what sort of work you want to concentrate on, or specifically want a feature such as an articulating screen that the 7d simply does not have.

    There are rumours that both the 90D and 7diii will be launched in 2018, and that the 90d will be launched early in the year and the 7diii towards the year end. Who knows how accurate these prove to be but if other recent Canon models are anything to go by (5div, 6dii and 200d to replace 100d there is more likely to be a hike in prices than some excellent bargains in retiring models.

    Hope this is of some help.
  • Thanks Graham, what you say makes a lot of sense, the 7dii is my favoured choice and like you say could have another 18months life before being replaced. Will keep a lookout for offers once the summer ends and sales start to slow down.
  • I still have a 7D2, specifically for airshow work and think its an excellent piece of kit. I was lucky enough to spend some time with the great Andy Rouse, wildlife photographer, and he uses a 7D2 with a 100-400 mk2 for some of his work and he couldn't speak highly enough about it.

    One thing I will say, after using my Fuji kit for other photography work, the 7D2 is quite heavy, plus the weight of my 100-400 mk1, it does make your arm ache :(

    Still, an excellent camera if you can get one.
  • I have read a lot of reviews about the 7d2 and they say it's good for wildlife and sport but suffers abit with landscapes due to the crop sensor reducing the size of the image. If a got a wider angle lens than I needed for landscape work would this balance it out or am I missing the point.
  • The overwhelming majority of DSLR's are cropped sensor, this is nothing to do with the 7dii, but more general cropped sensor vs (the much more expensive and rarer) full frame sensor.

    Canon make a remarkable, if slightly cheap feeling, 10-18mm IS STM EFS lens which can be had for £175 new and although a plastic mount is very light and hence not a real issue at all (mount does not have to support great weight). It is regularly rated as good or better optically compared with more expensive canon glass.

    It is the equivalent to 16-29mm on a full frame body so perfect for landscape work. It is f4.5-f5.6 so not exactly fast but you are not really going to be looking for wide apertures for wide angle landscape work in any case.

    I would forget all about it (worrying about cropped sensor implications) unless you are potentially thinking of investing £3500 in a new 5div - or second hand 5diii from around £1500 (and some more expensive full frame and weather sealed glass to go with it). The 5d is the only (Canon) camera that has a decent AF system etc for sports, and also the advantage that can be had from a full frame sensor.
  • Thanks for this will look into it and hopefully give you an update at the first meeting.

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